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Percussion Call & Response From Scratch (Jungle Rollers) 🥁⚡

Ableton Live (Intermediate) — Drums / Groove Programming

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1. Lesson overview

Call-and-response percussion is one of the fastest ways to make a jungle roller feel alive and forward-moving. In DnB, your main loop (call) establishes identity and groove, while a secondary phrase (response) answers it—often using different timbres, syncopation, and space placement.

In this lesson you’ll build a two-bar jungle percussion conversation using only Ableton stock tools, then push it into that rolling, hypnotic “train track” energy with tasteful variation.

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2. What you will build

You’ll end up with:

  • A 2-bar percussion loop layered around a basic break/2-step foundation
  • A clear call (Bar 1) and response (Bar 2) concept
  • A Drum Rack with:
  • - shakers / rides

    - ghost snares / rim ticks

    - congas / bongos / toms

    - a couple of ear-candy hits (reverse, foley, etc.)

  • A processing chain that makes it cohesive:
  • - EQ Eight cleanup

    - Saturator glue

    - Drum Buss weight

    - Hybrid Reverb (short, dark room)

    - optional Auto Filter for motion

  • Arrangement-ready variations: A/B/C loop versions and fills
  • Target vibe: rolling jungle / late-night DnB—percussion is busy but controlled, with a strong pocket.

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    3. Step-by-step walkthrough

    Step 0 — Project setup (get the grid and groove right) 🎛️

    1. Tempo: set 170–174 BPM (try 172 BPM)

    2. Global Quantization: 1 Bar (for clean launching)

    3. Loop length: set a 2-bar loop in Arrangement View

    4. Create these tracks:

    - Track 1: Drums (break or kick/snare)

    - Track 2: Percussion (Drum Rack)

    - Track 3 (optional): Percussion FX / textures

    > You can do call/response inside one Drum Rack, but splitting “foundation” and “conversation” often speeds workflow.

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    Step 1 — Establish the foundation (so the percussion has something to answer) 🔩

    You’ve got two main options:

    Option A (classic jungle): add a break loop

  • Drop in a break (e.g., an Amen-style or tight break) onto an audio track.
  • Warp mode: Beats
  • - Preserve: Transients

    - Envelope: ~10–25 (tighter = punchier)

  • Add EQ Eight:
  • - High-pass around 30–40 Hz

    - Gentle dip around 250–400 Hz if boxy

    Option B (2-step): kick + snare pattern in a Drum Rack

  • Kick: on 1 and “and” of 2 (typical DnB drive)
  • Snare: on 2 and 4
  • Keep this simple—your percussion is the “conversation.”
  • > The cleaner the foundation, the clearer the call/response reads.

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    Step 2 — Build a dedicated percussion Drum Rack 🧱

    On Track 2, load Drum Rack and populate these pads:

    Core percussion (tight + bright):

  • Closed hat (short)
  • Open hat (very short)
  • Shaker (one-shot)
  • Ride (short or loop slice)
  • Mid percussion (tone + groove):

  • Rim / clave tick
  • Ghost snare (tiny)
  • Conga or bongo
  • Tom hit (low-mid)
  • FX / ear candy (sparingly):

  • Reverse cymbal
  • Foley tick / wood knock
  • Where to get sounds quickly (Ableton stock):

  • Browser → Samples (Core Library) → Drums → Percussion
  • Or use Drum Booth (kits) and swap samples
  • Quick Drum Rack hygiene:

  • Rename pads (“Shk 1”, “Rim”, “Conga”)
  • Set choke groups:
  • - Put open hat + closed hat in same choke group

    - If using ride hits, consider choking them too

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    Step 3 — Program the “Call” (Bar 1) 🗣️

    Goal: a recognizable phrase that feels stable and rolling.

    #### 3A) Start with a shaker/hat engine

    In a 2-bar MIDI clip, focus only on Bar 1 first:

  • Add shaker 1/16ths across Bar 1
  • Then remove a few hits so it breathes:
  • - take out one hit just before snare (creates lift)

    - take out one hit right after snare (creates pocket)

    Velocity shaping (big deal in jungle):

  • Accent on offbeats: try velocities around
  • - Accents: 85–105

    - Ghosts: 35–60

    Ableton tip:

  • Use the MIDI Editor Velocity Lane and draw a repeating “wave” shape.
  • #### 3B) Add a rim/clave as the “signature”

    Place a rim tick in Bar 1 that becomes the earworm.

    Example approach:

  • Put rim hits on 1.2, 1.3.3, 1.4.2 (syncopated)
  • Keep it sparse: 3–5 hits max in the bar
  • #### 3C) Add one tonal hit (conga/tom) for movement

  • Add 1–2 conga hits in Bar 1
  • Place one slightly late (microtiming) for swagger:
  • - Turn Grid to 1/32

    - Nudge the note +5 to +12 ms (or slightly to the right)

    > The call should sound like: “This is the groove. Lock in.”

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    Step 4 — Program the “Response” (Bar 2) 🔁

    Now you answer the call without turning it into random busyness.

    Rule of thumb: keep the shaker engine similar, but change one main element:

  • either change rhythm
  • or change timbre
  • or change space (rests)
  • or add a small fill
  • #### 4A) Copy Bar 1 → Bar 2, then edit

  • Duplicate Bar 1 notes into Bar 2
  • Now do 3 deliberate changes:
  • Change 1: swap the signature

  • If Bar 1 had rim ticks, Bar 2 uses conga answers in those spaces (or vice versa)
  • Change 2: add a tiny pre-snare pickup

  • Add 2 very quiet ghost hits before the snare on beat 4
  • - e.g., 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 (depending on your grid)

    - Velocities: 20–45

    Change 3: create one “breath” moment

  • Remove a shaker hit right after a strong moment so the response feels like a phrase ending.
  • > You’re building punctuation: Bar 1 states, Bar 2 reacts.

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    Step 5 — Lock it to jungle swing using Groove Pool 🕺

    DnB percussion lives in the in-between.

    1. Open Groove Pool

    2. Add a groove:

    - Try MPC 16 Swing 55–60 (or any swing you like)

    - Or extract groove from your break:

    - Right-click the audio clip → Extract Groove

    3. Apply it to the percussion MIDI clip:

    - Groove Amount: 20–40%

    - Timing: 60–90

    - Velocity: 0–20 (use carefully; you already shaped velocities)

    Pro move:

  • Apply the groove to hats/shakers, but keep rim/conga slightly straighter so the groove has contrast.
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    Step 6 — Make it cohesive with a practical stock device chain 🔥

    On the Percussion track, use this chain as a starting point:

    #### 6A) EQ Eight (cleanup)

  • High-pass: 80–140 Hz (depends on how “tommy” your percussion is)
  • Cut harshness if needed:
  • - Narrow dip 4–8 kHz if brittle

  • If it’s dull:
  • - Gentle shelf +1 to +2 dB around 9–12 kHz

    #### 6B) Saturator (glue + density)

  • Mode: Analog Clip
  • Drive: 2–5 dB
  • Output: pull down to match level
  • Soft Clip: On
  • #### 6C) Drum Buss (weight + smack)

  • Drive: 5–15%
  • Crunch: 0–10% (too much gets fizzy)
  • Boom: 0–10% (careful—don’t steal sub space)
  • Transients:
  • - If too spiky: -5 to -15

    - If too soft: +5 to +15

    #### 6D) Hybrid Reverb (dark short room)

  • Algorithm: Room (or small Hall)
  • Decay: 0.4–0.9s
  • Pre-delay: 10–25 ms
  • High Cut: 5–8 kHz (keeps it dark)
  • Dry/Wet: 8–18% (subtle!)
  • > Keep reverb short and dark so the groove stays fast and punchy.

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    Step 7 — Create movement with automation (call/response across 8–16 bars) 🎚️

    Call/response isn’t just within 2 bars—it’s across the arrangement.

    Automation ideas (stock devices):

  • Auto Filter on percussion bus:
  • - Low-pass at 18k normally

    - Automate down to 6–10k for breakdowns

    - Add a tiny resonance (5–15%) for character

  • Utility:
  • - Automate width slightly:

    - Drop to 90–100% for tight sections

    - Push to 110–130% for “response” sections (don’t overdo)

    Arrangement template (fast and effective):

  • Bars 1–8: Call loop (stable)
  • Bars 9–16: Response loop (extra ghosts + one fill)
  • Bars 17–24: Call returns but with a different hat/ride layer
  • Bars 25–32: Response + FX hits into a drop
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    Step 8 — Turn it into roller variations (without rewriting everything) 🧠

    Make 3 clip versions:

  • A (Call): clean, signature rhythm
  • B (Response): extra ghosts, one conga phrase, small breath
  • C (Fill): end-of-phrase fill (last 1/2 bar)
  • Quick fill techniques:

  • 1/16 rim run into snare (keep velocities descending)
  • Tom hit + reverse cymbal into bar reset
  • Remove hats for 1/4 bar before the snare (negative space = impact)
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    4. Common mistakes 🚫

  • Too many sounds doing the same job: 3 different shakers = mush. Pick one main shaker/hat voice.
  • No velocity hierarchy: if everything is 100 velocity, nothing grooves.
  • Over-quantized percussion: jungle wants feel. Use groove + micro nudges.
  • Reverb too long/bright: it smears your transients and kills roll speed.
  • Ignoring frequency overlap: low congas/toms can fight bass and kick—HPF them.
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    5. Pro tips for darker/heavier DnB 🌑🔧

  • Parallel grit bus:
  • - Send percussion to a return track with Saturator (Heavy) + EQ Eight (band-pass 300 Hz–6 kHz)

    - Blend quietly for “dirty club air.”

  • Metallic tension:
  • - Add a very short ride layer but low in the mix, then Auto Filter it to sit behind the hats.

  • Controlled harshness:
  • - Use Multiband Dynamics gently:

    - Tame 4–10 kHz if hats get spitty when you push loudness.

  • Darker space:
  • - In Hybrid Reverb, push High Cut lower (4–6 kHz) and increase pre-delay slightly so it feels deep but not washy.

  • Ghost note discipline:
  • - Ghosts should be felt, not heard. If you clearly hear every ghost in the mix, it’s probably too loud.

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    6. Mini practice exercise ✅

    Goal: Create a tight call/response that still rolls after 32 bars.

    1. Build a 2-bar percussion clip (A) as your call.

    2. Duplicate to make (B) response:

    - Change only 3 things (signature swap, pickup ghosts, breath/rest).

    3. Make (C) fill:

    - Last half-bar: add a quick rim pattern or tom drop.

    4. Arrange:

    - Bars 1–8: A

    - Bars 9–16: B

    - Bars 17–24: A + add ride quietly

    - Bars 25–32: B then C on bar 32

    5. Bounce a quick loop and listen on low volume:

    - Can you still feel the difference between call and response?

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    7. Recap 🧾

  • Call/response in jungle rollers = phrasing + contrast, not random extra hits.
  • Build a stable call (Bar 1), then answer with controlled edits (Bar 2).
  • Use velocity, groove pool swing, and microtiming to get that rolling pocket.
  • Glue percussion with EQ Eight → Saturator → Drum Buss → short/dark Hybrid Reverb.
  • Scale it up by arranging A/B/C clips across 8–32 bars for real track energy.

If you want, tell me whether you’re building around a break-based jungle loop or a clean 2-step, and I’ll give you a specific 2-bar MIDI pattern (note positions + velocity targets) tailored to that vibe.

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Percussion Call and Response From Scratch for Jungle Rollers, intermediate level. In this lesson we’re building that hypnotic, train-track percussion conversation that makes a roller feel alive instead of looped.

Open up Ableton Live and let’s get the setup tight first, because the grid and the feel are everything in this style.

Set your tempo somewhere between 170 and 174 BPM. I like 172 as a safe home base. Set Global Quantization to 1 Bar so when you launch ideas they land cleanly. Then in Arrangement View, set a 2-bar loop brace. We’re going to write a two-bar “conversation” where bar one is the call, and bar two is the response.

Create three tracks.
Track one is your foundation: either a break or a simple kick and snare.
Track two is a Drum Rack for percussion, the conversation layer.
And track three is optional for extra textures or one-shot FX if you want them separated.

Before we get fancy, we need something solid for the percussion to answer.

Option A is classic jungle: use a break loop. Drop your break on an audio track. Set Warp mode to Beats, Preserve to Transients. Then tighten it with the Envelope somewhere around 10 to 25. Lower numbers usually feel punchier and more “chopped,” higher numbers let a little more tail through.

Add EQ Eight on the break. High-pass around 30 to 40 hertz to clear out useless rumble. If it’s boxy, do a gentle dip around 250 to 400 hertz. Nothing drastic. We just want space.

Option B is the clean 2-step approach. Put kick and snare in a Drum Rack. Keep it dead simple: kick on beat 1, and the “and” of 2 for that DnB push. Snare on 2 and 4. The simpler this foundation is, the clearer your call-and-response percussion will read.

Now for Track two: load up a Drum Rack. And here’s a really useful way to think as you choose sounds: think in roles, not sounds.

You need a timekeeper, usually a shaker or hat that keeps the treadmill moving.
You need a pointer, like a rim or clave, that tells the listener where they are in the bar.
You need a mover, like a conga, bongo, or tom, to create forward pull and little pushes.
You may want a little glue, like a quiet noise layer or texture that makes it feel filled without sounding busy.
And then punctuation: one-off FX like a tiny reverse or foley tick, used sparingly.

If two sounds feel like they’re doing the same job, that’s when you delete one or radically shorten it, filter it, or change its role.

Populate your Drum Rack with a few core pieces.
For tight and bright: a short closed hat, a very short open hat, a shaker, and maybe a short ride or ride slice.
For mid percussion: a rim or clave tick, a tiny ghost snare, a conga or bongo, and one tom hit for low-mid movement.
For ear candy: one reverse cymbal and one foley tick or wood knock.

Ableton stock is totally fine here. Go into the browser: Samples from the Core Library, then Drums, then Percussion. Or grab a kit from Drum Booth and swap samples around.

Quick hygiene that saves your life later: rename your pads. Shk 1, Rim, Conga, Tom, that kind of thing. And set choke groups. Put open hat and closed hat in the same choke group so they don’t overlap like a messy wash. If you’re using ride hits, you can consider choking them too so they don’t smear.

Now we program the call. That’s Bar 1. The call should be stable, recognizable, and rolling. Not random. Think: “this is the groove, lock in.”

Create a 2-bar MIDI clip on the percussion track, but for a moment, only focus your brain on Bar 1.

Start with the shaker or hat engine. Put shakers on 16th notes across Bar 1. Then immediately make it breathe. Remove a couple hits on purpose.
A great place to create lift is right before the snare. Take out a shaker hit just before the snare lands.
Then take out a hit right after the snare so the snare has a pocket to speak.

Now do velocity shaping, because in jungle, velocity is the groove. If everything is velocity 100, nothing rolls.
Aim for accents around 85 to 105, and ghosts around 35 to 60. And here’s the mindset: velocity is phrasing, not realism. We’re not trying to mimic a human shaker player. We’re shaping the sentence of the bar.

In Ableton’s MIDI editor, open the velocity lane and draw a repeating wave pattern. That alone gets you closer to “roller” than most people realize.

Next, add your pointer. That’s your rim or clave tick, and this is often the “signature” that makes the loop memorable.
Keep it sparse. Three to five hits max in the bar. Put them in syncopated places so it feels like it’s commenting on the beat, not just marking quarters.
Try a few hits that sit between the main beats. If you want a concrete example to start, you can try rim hits around 1.2, 1.3.3, and 1.4.2, then adjust by ear. The exact positions matter less than the concept: it’s a repeating hook, not a wall of ticks.

Now add one mover: a conga or tom. One to two hits in Bar 1 is enough. Place one of them slightly late for swagger.
Turn your grid to 1/32, then nudge that conga a few milliseconds to the right. Five to twelve milliseconds is a good starting range.
And here’s a pro-level microtiming rule that keeps things intentional: use two lanes.
Let the timekeepers, like hats and shakers, sit slightly late for that laid-back roll.
Keep the pointers, like rim ticks, more on-grid so the groove stays readable.

Also, do a quick check I call the snare window. Around the snare, protect the snare.
If your shaker and rim and everything else all hit right on the snare, your snare suddenly feels smaller.
Carve a mini no-fly zone about 10 to 30 milliseconds before and after the snare. You can do that by deleting a nearby hit, or nudging a hit slightly late so it lands after the snare breathes.

Cool. That’s the call.

Now Bar 2 is the response. And the response is not “more notes.” It’s contrast and resolution.

The fastest way to do this is: copy Bar 1 into Bar 2, then make three deliberate changes. Only three. That limitation forces taste.

Change number one: swap the signature.
If Bar 1’s pointer was rim ticks, in Bar 2 you can answer with conga hits in those spaces. Or swap the rim sample to a different rim that’s darker or snappier. The point is: the ear hears a reply, not a second lead.

Change number two: add a tiny pre-snare pickup.
Add two very quiet ghost hits before the snare toward the end of Bar 2. Keep them low, like velocity 20 to 45. They should be felt more than heard. If you can clearly identify every ghost note in the full mix, they’re probably too loud.

Change number three: create one breath moment.
Remove a shaker hit right after a strong moment. Or remove the timekeeper for a tiny slice, like an eighth note, to make the phrase feel like it ends.

And here’s a coach note that fixes a common issue: make the response resolve.
A lot of people make Bar 2 busier, but it doesn’t land.
To make it land, end Bar 2 with either a short rest right before the next downbeat, or a tiny tone drop in the last eighth or sixteenth, like a slightly lower tom or a darker conga. It’s like adding a period at the end of the sentence.

Now we’ve got the notes, but jungle lives in the in-between. So let’s add swing with Groove Pool.

Open the Groove Pool. Add a groove like MPC 16 Swing around 55 to 60, or better yet, extract groove from your break if you’re using one. Right-click your break clip and choose Extract Groove.

Then apply that groove to your percussion MIDI clip.
Set Groove Amount around 20 to 40 percent. Timing around 60 to 90, depending how loose you want it. Be careful with Groove Velocity because you already shaped velocity manually; keep that low, like 0 to 20.

And another pro move: apply groove mainly to hats and shakers, but keep rims and congas a bit straighter. That contrast makes the groove feel deeper.

Now let’s glue the percussion together with a practical stock chain. On the percussion track, we’re going EQ Eight into Saturator into Drum Buss into Hybrid Reverb.

Start with EQ Eight. High-pass somewhere around 80 to 140 hertz depending on your sounds. If you have toms that you want to keep, go lighter; if your percussion is mostly bright, go higher and clear the mud.
If it’s harsh, do a narrow dip around 4 to 8k. If it’s dull, try a gentle shelf of one or two dB around 9 to 12k.

Next, Saturator. Set it to Analog Clip. Drive around 2 to 5 dB. Turn Soft Clip on. Then pull the output down so you’re not just louder. The goal is density and glue.

Then Drum Buss. Drive around 5 to 15 percent. Crunch 0 to 10, because too much gets fizzy fast. Boom 0 to 10, and be careful: you don’t want percussion stealing sub space from your bass and kick.
Use Transients to control spikiness. If it’s too sharp, go negative, like minus 5 to minus 15. If it’s too soft, push it up a bit.

Then Hybrid Reverb, short and dark. Choose a Room algorithm or a small hall. Decay around 0.4 to 0.9 seconds. Pre-delay 10 to 25 milliseconds so the transient stays up front. High cut around 5 to 8k to keep it dark. And keep Dry/Wet subtle, like 8 to 18 percent. Roller percussion should feel fast and punchy, not washed.

If you want space that doesn’t smear, here’s an upgrade: put your reverb on a return track, and after the reverb add a Gate with a short release. That gives you the sense of room without long tails stepping on the groove.

Optional but really effective: a subtle sidechain on the percussion bus to the snare. Use Compressor, sidechain input from the snare, and aim for just 1 to 2 dB of gain reduction. It creates a little breathing so the snare stays dominant without turning the percussion down overall.

Now let’s scale call-and-response beyond two bars, because in real tracks, call-and-response is also arrangement.

A super fast template:
Bars 1 to 8: your call loop, stable.
Bars 9 to 16: response loop, extra ghosts and one small fill idea.
Bars 17 to 24: call returns, but maybe add a quiet ride or a tiny texture.
Bars 25 to 32: response again, plus an FX hit guiding you into the next section.

To make that movement obvious without rewriting, automate a couple things.
Put an Auto Filter on the percussion bus. Normally keep it open, like a low-pass at 18k. For darker sections or breakdowns, automate it down to 6 to 10k. Add a little resonance, maybe 5 to 15 percent, for character.
Use Utility to automate width. Keep tighter sections around 90 to 100 percent width. Push response sections to 110 to 130 percent, but don’t overdo it or your hats go weird in mono.

And one of my favorite drop-prep tricks: thin the tops, not the drums.
In the last bar or two before a drop, slightly reduce extreme highs or narrow the width, but keep kick and snare unchanged. When the full top end comes back, the drop feels louder without actually peaking higher.

Now, variations. We’re going to make three clip versions so this is arrangement-ready.

Clip A is the call: clean, signature rhythm, not too many ghosts.
Clip B is the response: signature swapped, a couple ghost pickups, and one breath moment.
Clip C is the fill: the last half bar has a small turnaround, but the very last sixteenth to eighth is cleaner so the downbeat hits hard. That “fill placement rule” matters in busy rollers: micro and early, not late and messy.

Quick fill techniques:
A short 1/16 rim run into the snare, with velocities descending so it tucks back.
A tom hit plus a tiny reverse cymbal into the bar reset.
Or remove the hats for a quarter bar before the snare to create negative space. Negative space is impact.

If you want an advanced spice without wrecking the groove, try a polyrhythm shadow layer for one or two bars only. A super quiet tick repeating every 3/16 or 5/16, filtered so it’s more felt than heard. Use it like a special effect, not a permanent layer.

Now, quick checklist of common mistakes to avoid.
Too many sounds doing the same job. Three shakers becomes mush.
No velocity hierarchy. If everything is loud, nothing grooves.
Over-quantized percussion. Jungle wants feel, so use groove and micro nudges with intent.
Reverb too long or too bright, which smears transients and kills roll speed.
And frequency overlap: low congas and toms can fight the bass and kick, so high-pass them appropriately.

Let’s wrap with a mini practice flow you can actually do today.
Make a 2-bar percussion clip as your call, that’s A.
Duplicate it and make B, the response, changing only three things: signature swap, pickup ghosts, and one breath or rest.
Then make C, a fill clip, just editing the last half bar.
Arrange 32 bars: 1 to 8 is A, 9 to 16 is B, 17 to 24 is A plus a quiet ride or air layer, 25 to 31 is B slightly darker with filter automation, and bar 32 is C.

Then freeze and flatten your percussion bus to audio, and listen at very low volume. Low volume is the truth test. Can you still feel where the answer happens? If not, don’t add complexity. Increase contrast. Change timbre, change space, or add a rest.

That’s the full workflow: stable call, controlled response, groove and velocity doing the heavy lifting, and a tight stock processing chain to make it cohesive.

If you tell me whether you’re building around a break-based jungle foundation or a clean 2-step, I can give you a specific 2-bar MIDI pattern with note positions and velocity targets that tends to sit perfectly in that pocket.

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